I used to like this Shankar fellow. He got it wrong though this time.
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I found the following story on the NPR iPhone App
Ep. 71: The Fox and the Hedgehog
NPR – May 15, 2017
http://www.npr.org/podcasts/510308/hidden-brain?sc=17&f=510308&utm_source=iosnewsapp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=app